We shouldn't tax CO2 emissions, they're a byproduct of industrial activity and so taxing CO2 would effectively be a tax on work, something that we should be avoiding.
I agree with you about the land tax stuff though.
chefdave, the capacity of the earth to process pollution is also a limited natural resource (therefore it is theoretically included in 'land' in the classical economists definition). Yes, reducing C02 emissions would decrease the supply of polluting products and therefore increase the prices of these products. But you should look at it this way: these products have now a price that is too low because they are being oversupplied, as the boundaries of the earths capacity to process pollution are being overcrossed and the earths resources being overused. This inflicts an externalised cost on to future generations.
As we limit pollution to its appropiate levels, prices of polluting products rise, and a new form of economic rent comes to existance that should be collected by government. Indeed, this is another limited resource of which every citizen should get an equal share. Those would pollute more than their fair share are then paying for the privilege to those who pollute less than their fair share.
Yes, this would reduce jobs in the polluting industry. However, when the revenue of pollution taxes is used to reduce taxes on work and trade, we reduce prices of green products simultanuously. As a consequence, behaviour of consumers and investors changes in favor of green productivity, creating work in a greener industry. All this without subsidies from the government.
Sorry Niels but I disagree.
If natural activity began in marketplace for the trade in air then I would concede that you have a point. Unfortunately this is not the case. Any taxes on CO2 are therfore arbitrary taxes based on the notion that carbon and oxygen molecules are somehow 'bad' for the environment. Proving this is impossible so instead we have to rely on the assertions of green activists as well as the opinions of left leaning and unaccountable bureaucrats within the EU.
As the production of CO2 is intimately tied in with the production process itself taxing it would have the same impact as VAT, people would become poorer, jobs would be lost and our economy would again slow down at a time when we're hampered enough as it is with regulation and taxes.
The human cost of a tax on CO2 would be stark, whereas the environemtnal benefits would be negligeable if any were to materialise at all.
I prioritise the needs of people of that of the needs of the earth.
We shouldn't tax CO2 emissions, they're a byproduct of industrial activity and so taxing CO2 would effectively be a tax on work, something that we should be avoiding.
I agree with you about the land tax stuff though.
It is very strange to say "I prioritise the needs of the people of that of the needs of the earth". As if these things are two distinct needs. The earth is the source of all our wealth, we live on the earth, of the earth. The way one threats the earth is always going to backfire somehow to people. You cannot separate the human being of his environment. In fact: this separation, institutionalised by the privatisation of natural resources, is the cause of all our problems.
I guess where we differ is that you do not believe in the damaging effects of pollution. With such a fundamentally different premise, we will of course not agree, even though we have similar views on economic theory. Even if we do not believe in global warming, the effects of pollution on the general health of the human species is devastating. This is even a bigger concern of mine than global warming. The air we breathe, the water we need to drink, the soil we get our food from are all poisoned. Not to mention the global disaster that our immoral meat industry is leading us to.
I agree that taxes on consumption is a bad idea. Taxing the use of natural resources like the limited capacity of the earth to process pollution is different from VAT in the sense that it only bears heavily on very specific forms of production, not on all production like VAT.
It would encourage different forms of work, that can make us all wealthier and more independent individuals. For example, green energy has the quality that it is more local and decentralized, making room for more smaller competitors and thus more free market, and less monopoly.
I also want to point out that more work does not necessarily mean that we are wealthier. It is absurd to believe that with modern technology there should still be full time jobs for everyone. Creating jobs that add little value to our wealth is pointless. At a certain point, an individual must be able to decide that having more time is more valuable to him than having more stuff. That is in essence also a free market principle, in my view. Then we come back to the topic of LVT, because the benefits of automation go mainly to land values, and we need to tax these to give everyone his share of the technological advances of society as a whole.